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News And Views / NetTalk 4.31 Candidate Release Available (PR17)
« on: October 17, 2008, 07:52:51 AM »
Hi All,
PR17 - which is a candidate release for 4.31 is now available at
http://www.capesoft.com/ftp/public/prerelease/index.htm
Cheers
Bruce
PR17 - which is a candidate release for 4.31 is now available at
http://www.capesoft.com/ftp/public/prerelease/index.htm
Cheers
Bruce
10487
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Best way to make a webserver use multiple datasets
« on: October 17, 2008, 07:49:21 AM »
Hi Niels,
Graham is right.
a) in the dict set the full path name for the file to be a variable
b) In the ProcessLink method, before parent call, set the variable based on a session value.
Cheers
Bruce
Graham is right.
a) in the dict set the full path name for the file to be a variable
b) In the ProcessLink method, before parent call, set the variable based on a session value.
Cheers
Bruce
10488
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Insert child record from parent browse
« on: October 16, 2008, 10:37:38 PM »
Hi Rene,
>> I worked around it by leaving my one out (for now).
right.
>> Btw. is there a way to not see the URL in the URL-field of the browser?
If you make a frames-based site, but with only a single frame, then the site "looks" like a normal site, but "behaves" like a frame.
Specifically it prevents the URL from being displayed in the address bar.
>> After I insert the record and return to the Parent Browse and click the cancel button, I return to the previously abandoned insert form. But I expect to go back to the main page.
Remember, on the web you _never_ really go back - you're always moving forward. Set the URL of the Cancel button so it takes you explicitly where you want it to go.
Cheers
Bruce
>> I worked around it by leaving my one out (for now).
right.
>> Btw. is there a way to not see the URL in the URL-field of the browser?
If you make a frames-based site, but with only a single frame, then the site "looks" like a normal site, but "behaves" like a frame.
Specifically it prevents the URL from being displayed in the address bar.
>> After I insert the record and return to the Parent Browse and click the cancel button, I return to the previously abandoned insert form. But I expect to go back to the main page.
Remember, on the web you _never_ really go back - you're always moving forward. Set the URL of the Cancel button so it takes you explicitly where you want it to go.
Cheers
Bruce
10489
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: SSL record too long error
« on: October 16, 2008, 10:34:50 PM »
Hi David,
If you have 2 web servers in the web server procedure (ie one for port 80 and one for port 443) as per the mixed example, then try turning the port 80 one off (there's a checkbox to do this) and see if it makes any difference.
Cheers
Bruce
If you have 2 web servers in the web server procedure (ie one for port 80 and one for port 443) as per the mixed example, then try turning the port 80 one off (there's a checkbox to do this) and see if it makes any difference.
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Buttons in menu
« on: October 16, 2008, 10:33:00 PM »
Hi Sjoerd,
I'm thinking that there are so many JavaScript menus out on the web, that your best option - rather than trying to squeeze the chrome menu into doing what you want - is to rather browse around a bit for a menu that you like, then implement that menu in the page. (It's usually very easy to add them.)
Cheers
Bruce
I'm thinking that there are so many JavaScript menus out on the web, that your best option - rather than trying to squeeze the chrome menu into doing what you want - is to rather browse around a bit for a menu that you like, then implement that menu in the page. (It's usually very easy to add them.)
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: nested pull down menus
« on: October 16, 2008, 10:29:33 PM »
Hi John,
the current JavaScript menu we're using (chrome) doesn't support sub menus. However I do have plans to implement an alternate menu that does support sub menus.
Cheers
Bruce
the current JavaScript menu we're using (chrome) doesn't support sub menus. However I do have plans to implement an alternate menu that does support sub menus.
Cheers
Bruce
10492
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: NetTalk Wiki
« on: October 16, 2008, 10:28:23 PM »
Hi Charl,
I hear you on the wiki - I think once version 4 settles down (which is more or less happening now anyway) the fill-in docs will get better.
Regarding the popup, you can suppress them by putting
p_web._popupdone = 1
in the WebHandler procedure, in the ProcessLink method, before the Parent call.
Cheers
Bruce
I hear you on the wiki - I think once version 4 settles down (which is more or less happening now anyway) the fill-in docs will get better.
Regarding the popup, you can suppress them by putting
p_web._popupdone = 1
in the WebHandler procedure, in the ProcessLink method, before the Parent call.
Cheers
Bruce
10493
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Insert child record from parent browse
« on: October 13, 2008, 12:07:07 AM »
Hi Rene,
See FAQ W4.
Essentially you're just calling a form "directly not from the browse". Ok, you're calling it from a browse, but not the _right_ browse <g>.
Cheers
Bruce
See FAQ W4.
Essentially you're just calling a form "directly not from the browse". Ok, you're calling it from a browse, but not the _right_ browse <g>.
Cheers
Bruce
10494
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: SSL DLL's in path
« on: October 09, 2008, 01:27:31 AM »
Hi Vince,
Are there any details of the crash? ie does it happen just once, or is it regular?
Cheers
Bruce
Are there any details of the crash? ie does it happen just once, or is it regular?
Cheers
Bruce
10495
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: FileToSessionQueue
« on: October 07, 2008, 07:40:48 AM »
You're on the right track - I'm not sure what you're missing.
I think example 31, updatelineitems procedure, has an example of this - but I'll need to check (and I haven't had a chance today...)
Cheers
Bruce
I think example 31, updatelineitems procedure, has an example of this - but I'll need to check (and I haven't had a chance today...)
Cheers
Bruce
10496
Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Nettalk 5 is it too early to ask?
« on: September 30, 2008, 05:38:44 AM »
Hi John,
Yes, it's a bit early to ask at the moment. Although work on NT5 is well underway, a pre-release is still some way off. The goal is to make the first builds available before the end of the year.
Cheers
Bruce
Yes, it's a bit early to ask at the moment. Although work on NT5 is well underway, a pre-release is still some way off. The goal is to make the first builds available before the end of the year.
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: End user hide/change column positons on nettalk forms and browses at runtime
« on: September 29, 2008, 08:28:35 AM »
Hi John,
Fundamentally what you're talking about is easy enough. And it's not as big a deal as you make out. All the fields in the form, and the browse have conditional options. So by using the right conditions it's easy to turn fields/columns on and off. These conditions would typically just be checking a data switch stored in a file.
I wold imagine that a user would have access to this data via a very simple interface (typically checkboxes) that allow them to turn columns on and off.
That's the easy bit. The harder bit is in formatting the result. The fancier the format, the more impact adding, or removing fields will have. In simple browses and forms, not too much impact. But with more complexity things could get a bit hairy.
Re-ordering columns is a slightly different animal, and slightly more complex to pull off. Ideally the user should be able to drag-and-drop columns into different orders.
To answer your question though this is all on the planned list for NetTalk 5. However I've not implemented it yet, so no promises are being made at this point.
Cheers
Bruce
Fundamentally what you're talking about is easy enough. And it's not as big a deal as you make out. All the fields in the form, and the browse have conditional options. So by using the right conditions it's easy to turn fields/columns on and off. These conditions would typically just be checking a data switch stored in a file.
I wold imagine that a user would have access to this data via a very simple interface (typically checkboxes) that allow them to turn columns on and off.
That's the easy bit. The harder bit is in formatting the result. The fancier the format, the more impact adding, or removing fields will have. In simple browses and forms, not too much impact. But with more complexity things could get a bit hairy.
Re-ordering columns is a slightly different animal, and slightly more complex to pull off. Ideally the user should be able to drag-and-drop columns into different orders.
To answer your question though this is all on the planned list for NetTalk 5. However I've not implemented it yet, so no promises are being made at this point.
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Child browse insert/change/delete buttons don't work
« on: September 27, 2008, 10:49:14 PM »
Hi David,
I think I've got the whole browse-in-a-form thing working in PR15.
I haven't tested with timers yet, but I'll do that today.
Cheers
Bruce
I think I've got the whole browse-in-a-form thing working in PR15.
I haven't tested with timers yet, but I'll do that today.
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: Child browse insert/change/delete buttons don't work
« on: September 26, 2008, 09:23:01 PM »
Hi David,
yes, the header is part of the browse (in the dynamic update sense) so it could affect things if the xHtml in the header is not perfectly formed xHtml. But I should be able to tell that from when it's online.
Cheers
Bruce
yes, the header is part of the browse (in the dynamic update sense) so it could affect things if the xHtml in the header is not perfectly formed xHtml. But I should be able to tell that from when it's online.
Cheers
Bruce
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Web Server - Ask For Help / Re: More EIP woes
« on: September 26, 2008, 07:22:38 AM »
Hi Bryan,
I hear what you're saying, but I simply don't remember (and I don't have a record) of the exact issues that lead to the EIP change from File to View. I know some of the _advantages_ of using the View (most specifically when it comes to secondary files) but I don't recall if there were specific disadvantages of doing it via files.
Clearly a more detailed record of the various reasons for the various tweaks would be nice around about now, but alas it doesn't exist.
I agree this version has been too long in the editing stages, and with each pre-release I've tried to move closer to a final release. Indeed a final release has been the "goal" for some time now. However I try to make sure that when there is a final release it's solid enough for "everyone to use". The last few pre-releases have clearly had bugs - and as in your EIP report some of them are rather serious and require a serious structural change. This can lead to less stability in some cases rather than more. the alternative would be to "ignore" structural inadequacies, which is clearly worse.
At the moment I'm working on another structural change because of a difference between FF and IE. So something which has been "working" forever is showing a case where it fails, specifically in IE, and specifically in a certain (rather complex) setup.
Clearly I have to fix that - which will mean _at least_ a PR15 and possibly more releases after that.
The sheer volume of people now writing apps with NetTalk (including ourselves) leads to more and more complex layouts and functionality. And inevitably some of that has unforseen knock-on effects in different situations.
Look at the bright side - all the stuff you have reported has been addressed, including this EIP issue, so at least when there is a release at least your stuff will be solid.
I hope arrogance is not setting in, at least I don't think it is. I'm trying to balance more and more needs though, in more and more potential situations. It's simply impossible for me to test _every_ combination and get builds out on a reasonable schedule. Yes there's an element of doubt sometimes - but the alternative to that is no pre-releases at all, and it'd still be 56 months between builds, and the builds would be of a lower quality.
Cheers
Bruce
I hear what you're saying, but I simply don't remember (and I don't have a record) of the exact issues that lead to the EIP change from File to View. I know some of the _advantages_ of using the View (most specifically when it comes to secondary files) but I don't recall if there were specific disadvantages of doing it via files.
Clearly a more detailed record of the various reasons for the various tweaks would be nice around about now, but alas it doesn't exist.
I agree this version has been too long in the editing stages, and with each pre-release I've tried to move closer to a final release. Indeed a final release has been the "goal" for some time now. However I try to make sure that when there is a final release it's solid enough for "everyone to use". The last few pre-releases have clearly had bugs - and as in your EIP report some of them are rather serious and require a serious structural change. This can lead to less stability in some cases rather than more. the alternative would be to "ignore" structural inadequacies, which is clearly worse.
At the moment I'm working on another structural change because of a difference between FF and IE. So something which has been "working" forever is showing a case where it fails, specifically in IE, and specifically in a certain (rather complex) setup.
Clearly I have to fix that - which will mean _at least_ a PR15 and possibly more releases after that.
The sheer volume of people now writing apps with NetTalk (including ourselves) leads to more and more complex layouts and functionality. And inevitably some of that has unforseen knock-on effects in different situations.
Look at the bright side - all the stuff you have reported has been addressed, including this EIP issue, so at least when there is a release at least your stuff will be solid.
I hope arrogance is not setting in, at least I don't think it is. I'm trying to balance more and more needs though, in more and more potential situations. It's simply impossible for me to test _every_ combination and get builds out on a reasonable schedule. Yes there's an element of doubt sometimes - but the alternative to that is no pre-releases at all, and it'd still be 56 months between builds, and the builds would be of a lower quality.
Cheers
Bruce